The transition away from fossil fuel reduces conflict drivers
As president, former Greenpeace Executive Director Kumi Naidoo represents the Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative, which aims to halt the continued extraction of fossil fuels. In this interview, Naidoo discusses the shortcomings of the United Nation’s global climate conferences, the role of the Global South in the fight against climate change, and the impact of the war in the Middle East on the debate surrounding fossil fuels.
You have been leading the Fossil Fuel Treaty Initiative as its president since 2024. How did this movement come to life?
The initiative was born in 2020 out of a glaring gap in global climate governance. The COP process is all about regulating emissions, but fails to address the root cause of the problem: our lasting addiction and dependency on fossil fuels.
The Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative was inspired by the non-proliferation nuclear treaty and the treaty to ban landmines. The latter substantially reduced the production, manufacturing and use of landmines. Our key aim today is to get countries to agree that we must be serious about stopping new investments in coal, oil, and gas.
“The transition away from fossil fuel reduces conflict drivers.”
What are key elements of the treaty’s strategy?
The first thing is non-proliferation: stop the spread of the problem. The second thing is to have a fair, fast and funded phase out. Thirdly, we need the transition away from fossil fuels to be a just transition for workers and communities. That is why we need a clear and binding plan.
Just imagine one day you rush off to work in a hurry and when you come back home you realize water is coming out of the bathroom. So you pick up the mop and proceed to the bathroom. There, you discover that the tap was leaking, the bathtub filled up over the day and is now overflowing. When you are faced with this picture, what do you do? Do you start mopping the floor first or do you turn off the tap first?
You obviously turn off the tap first.
Correct. But what we have been doing for more than 30 years is mopping the problem without turning off the tap. The focus has been on emissions, not on extraction. That's just not going to cut it. We can't solve the climate crisis while expanding the very fossil fuels driving it.
The United States and Israel have been at war with Iran since March 2026, leading to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and rising oil and gas prices worldwide. What are the possible ripple effects on the Fossil Fuel Treaty Initiative?
We hope that fossil fuels will become clearly seen as linked to the geopolitical conflicts of our time. Climate action can be seen as part of a global peace and security agenda. Our core point is that the transition away from fossil fuel reduces conflict drivers.
“What we get year in, year out from the COPs is a FLAB outcome.”
You talked about a glaring gap in bringing climate policy to life. Why have the United Nations’s conferences on climate change not been sufficient in doing so?
This is due to the power of the fossil fuel companies. The largest delegations at every conference are the fossil fuel lobbyists. That's like Alcoholics Anonymous having an annual global conference for 30 years, and the largest delegation is the alcohol industry. Powerful countries, especially in the Global North, have looked at short-term economic interests rather than long-term security for people and communities. We've been calling for a fair, ambitious,and binding (FAB) deal since the Copenhagen conference in 2009. What we get year in, year out from the COPs is a FLAB deal full of loopholes and bullshit.
What are other aspects of the COP that aren’t working in your eyes?
The COP operates by consensus. This means that petro states like the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Australia are able to serve as blockers. Some governments have conflicting roles since they are both producers and negotiators. Saudi Aramco, for example, is a state-owned entity. So, they come in and push their agenda. To be clear though, COP is really important, but it's insufficient alone. Our initiative is meant to complement, not to replace UN processes.
How many countries are already part of the initiative?
The first countries to step forward were from the Pacific, Vanuatu, and Tuvalu. Today, we have 20 countries that have endorsed the initiative, and another 15 countries that are part of the conversation. We hope that further negotiations will start later this year following the First Conference on Transition Away from Fossil Fuels in April 2026 in Santa Marta, Colombia.
You say that we need more binding agreements on the extraction of fossil fuels. What do you expect from the conference in Colombia in April 2026?
In 30 years of COP negotiations, the term fossil fuels was only mentioned once – and in a very weak way – two years ago. The Santa Marta conference being organized by Colombia, the Pacific Islands States, and the Netherlands would be the first major convention focusing on transitioning away from fossil fuels. It's the first in the series of diplomatic conferences building the coalition of the ambitious.
The second one is already planned for the Pacific as a follow-up, which should be the starting point of negotiations. Our hope is to see a shift from advocacy to implementation.
“The struggle to do something about catastrophic climate change is nothing more than protecting our children.”
Can you talk about the more detailed outcomes you’re hoping for?
We're looking for phase-out pathways. How can countries phase out of fossil fuels in a way that doesn't harm their economies and their children's future? Because the struggle to do something about catastrophic climate change is nothing more than protecting our children. The expected outcomes are phase-out pathways, financing mechanisms, equity and justice frameworks, strong Global South leadership, and multi-stakeholder participation including governments, local governments, civil society, and indigenous leaders. The key message that will hopefully come out of Santa Marta is that we'll turn ambition into accountability.
How many participants are you expecting for the conference in Santa Marta?
Right now, we hope to have at least 60 governments participate. There's a civil society summit and participation from local and subnational governments. We have thousands of civil society organizations, indigenous nations, churches, trade unions and faith groups involved. There will also be a scientific and academic conference taking place.
“If this transition is not happening in Europe, it will not happen elsewhere.”
In parts of the Western World, there seems to be a fear about the transition you promote, which is closely linked to the rise of populist movements. How do you tackle those fears?
This development is driven by economic anxiety and the fact that working class people in Europe are not getting their fair share of the societal dividends. The fossil fuel industry is leveraging job fears and energy price concerns to falsely frame fossil energy resources as cheap and reliable.
However, if you factor in the trillions of dollars that go into fossil fuel subsidies, which is taxpayer money, fossil energy is hardly as cheap as people might be fooled into believing. The strategic response that Europe needs is to include justice, jobs, livelihoods, and communities in climate messaging. If this transition is not happening in Europe, it will not happen elsewhere.
Do you see a changing role and impact of the Global South in this global discussion about a sustainable future?
The Global South must not see themselves primarily as victims but as leaders. They have lots of advantages like abundant renewable resources. In Africa, we have abundant solar, wind, geothermal, and biomass potential. The successful governments and countries of the future will be those that get far ahead of the green technology curve now. The key area where the Global South needs to make transitions is in the area of climate finance that has been promised through the Green Climate Fund, and the Loss and Damage Fund in the UNFCCC COP process. We need technology transfer because a lot of the technological skills are sitting in the Global North. There's an opportunity for Africa and the Global South to leapfrog other parts of the world when it comes to clean energy systems. We should not be repeating the mistakes of the Global North, which carries the biggest responsibility for historical accumulated emissions.
If you look at what has already been achieved, what are your reasons for hope?
The first answer here is the rapid and continuing decline in renewable energy costs. The second is growing support from cities, countries, and institutions to realize a fossil fuel phase out. The third is strong youth and civil society activism. Fossil fuels are increasingly seen as financially risky and socially unacceptable.
However, that momentum is not guaranteed. There is some pessimism that arises from our analysis, our observations, and our lived experiences. This pessimism, however, is something we cannot afford. It must be responded to with the optimism of our thought, our action, our creativity, our courage, and our sense of humanity
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